Kevin Warwick, Chicago Reader Associate Editor and A.V. Club music contributor, hosted a intimate, fireside discussion with Fred & Toody Cole, presented in partnership with the Empty Bottle.

Listen in as Fred and Toody talk about their durability as a musical unit and how their do-it-yourself mentality has attributed to their success, which includes 20 prolific years in punk band Dead Moon. Enjoy untold stories and opinions about their career and approach as a duo, including a look at the evolution of Portland over the last decade, from when they came up in the DIY punk scene to now.